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President Trump’s Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, who usually stays away from the press, did a rare interview with Miranda Devine, who hosts the Pod Force One podcast.
In the interview, Wiles gave an inside look at the Trump 2024 presidential campaign, what she thinks of the current administration, her opinions of Elon Musk, and how she has respect for Joe Biden’s staffers.
When it came to Musk, Wiles had nothing but good things to say about the CEO of Tesla.
Watch her talk about Musk here:
White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles opened up to @mirandadevine on the latest episode of “Pod Force One” about President Trump’s “very troublesome” falling out with Elon Musk. Subscribe here: https://t.co/mF1jSbzGLE pic.twitter.com/8b0cdbfjEx
— New York Post (@nypost) July 9, 2025
Fox News had more to report on what Wiles had to say about Musk:
White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles lamented in a new interview that Elon Musk’s relationship with President Donald Trump and the administration came to a “troublesome ending.”
“It seemed almost as if he had a sort of fatherly fixation with Donald Trump that I guess inevitably was going to blow up at some point. How did you see that relationship?” New York Post columnist Miranda Devine asked Wiles after they both agreed there was a “hiccup” with the former head of DOGE.
“Similar, the president was very, very kind to him. And Elon had so much to offer us. He knew things we didn’t know, he knew people and technologies that we didn’t know. It was a great thing when it was a great thing, and then it had a very troublesome ending,” Wiles said.
Musk and Trump have traded barbs over the Trump-backed “Big, Beautiful Bill” as the former DOGE chief has since launched another political party — the “America Party.”
The new party, according to Musk’s posts, will target a few key seats in Congress. The goal is to create a swing bloc powerful enough to hold the balance of power and stop what Musk sees as the worst excesses of both Republicans and Democrats.
Musk called the bill a “disgusting abomination.”
“I don’t understand it. I don’t know,” Wiles told Devine of the pair’s fallout. “I enjoyed working with Elon. I think he’s a fascinating person and sees the world differently. And I think that’s probably what the president saw, too, just a little bit different than the average Joe, but certainly, came to not a good ending.”
Later in the interview, Wiles shared that she talks to Biden’s aides occasionally.
Here’s a clip:
President Trump’s Chief of Staff Susie Wiles Reveals She Calls On Biden Staffers From Time To Time pic.twitter.com/wYNx35jEjv
— Anthony Scott (@AnthonysTown) July 10, 2025
The Hill provided more details on her relationship with Biden aides:
White House chief of staff Susie Wiles said she calls on former aides to former President Biden on occasion, following what she described as a very positive experience working with them on the presidential transition.
In an interview with the New York Post’s Miranda Devine, Wiles praised Biden’s staff when asked about her view on the former presidency.
“He was a low energy president and I think that’s actually harder on the staff than what I have. They were pushing, I’m pulling. They could not have been more kind to me as we were transitioning. Really wonderful, wonderful at telling us what to expect, what resources were at our fingertips. They were terrific,” Wiles said.
“The presidency, not so much. But the individuals that I worked with and I knew, were spectacular,” she continued. “And I actually call on them from time to time now.”
Wiles added, “Not what I expected, but it was welcomed.”
Watch the full interview here: